If anyone else is involved they know who it is. I have not been able to determine that from all of these postings. But we are not naming person. Mr. X was employed by Indiana Packers around 2011 or 2012. This may extend to age 15. But no arrests have ever been made with several promising leads or theories arising over the years, only to go cold. As this continues to be an active and ongoing investigation, the Indiana State Police will continue to provide any and all resources available to assist in the prosecution of this case.". If you wish to join, please go here. Im so sorry. Why did Mr. X not drive his truck away when it was in the way of all of the police cars? I I heard the girls say repeatedly, Its Elementary Watson, and 2 plus 2 equals 4. . The first sections deal with somewhat extraneous material that you may or may not find interesting. Were they are waiting for God Himself to come bring the keys? Stupid, stupid, stupid. Theyre swarming all over this crime scene, and the killer is standing right here under their noses in the midst of the chaos for hours, and these coptards cant figure this out. We think he likes to fool and troll LE. The police chief says he is 99% sure that the main suspect, who is named, committed the crimes. I dont get that vibe at all with everything I know, but then again I know very little lol. Bodies are also posed sometimes as a warning or message, like in revenge killings by the Mafia and various gangs, including narcos. That would mean he would have had to drive back to Delphi by at least 3:45 and possibly later, depending on what town he was in and when he left. Urinating is no problem, but what if he had to defecate? For information on these documents, see the special section below where their nature and provenance is explained. Although the exact murder weapon is redacted in the warrant, Body Bags host and forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan told Grace that the killer likely used an edged weapon, given the amount of blood found at the crime scene. Thank you so much for this excellent comment, Jennifer! Friends with Ron Logan on whose property the crime occurred. Theres just journalists. So when LE said the younger sketch is the one who committed the crime, they were correct! We doubt if she did contact his wife. Kelsi German: Sister of Libby. And those are just a few of the suspected serials running around free. Employed at two factories in nearby towns as a machine operator in recent years. Thanks. And I cant wait to see what they get from RL about Mr. X. It has those wooden, beaded seat covers. The boots appear to be Indiana Packers boots. The version of the suspect sketch in the image was not released until April 2019, so the photo would have been taken at least two years after the murders. He raped women, not young teenage girls. I guess this need continues into adulthood, but I like a little meat on my bone. You dont need a degree, credential, and a license to do this job, you know. The bodies were dumped near flowing water, creeks or rivers. In September of 2020, messages started flowing on the web that were purportedly between the one who discovered the young ladies' bodies and his companion. Mr. X was a senior in high school at the time. There is a small fee of $20 to join, which includes lifetime membership. Why dont you do a show on our theories. John Kelly has some good information. A probable cause. I have to say that I noticed a lot of CSI activity at a location far from that bank. Theres only one parent. Your email address will not be published. My ideas, of course, are just speculative like those put forth by others. He also allegedly asked his cousin to back up his story before the girls bodies had been found. For more than five years, the families of the two girls have been searching for answers as to what happened and who was responsible for their murders. So I held off. Kegan Kline, 28, of Peru, Indiana, was named as a possible suspect in the girls' murders. Pay no attention to the first sketch, which looks like a middle aged man, Mr. X. Privacy Policy. They wanted the crime scene to appear like something it wasn't, which could hypothetically include posing the bodies. Within a ditch along a country road on her way home from school shortly after her murder. They dont say where they collected it from, but thats an important question. I saw this being explained in some YT comments to a bunch of brainlets. Are you speculating? It turns out that BGs shoes are dead perfect matches for Indiana Packers workboots. In the more than three years since the girls' tragic murders, very little evidence has been released about the case including the cause of death. If comments start getting out of hand please feel free to report, though. Thank you I came here after being directed to you. He parked 1,000 feet away from Rons door, almost a quarter mile away. Wife left him. They are black and white and do mention some aspects of how they died. You mentioned that the police are allowed to lie to the public. Its a dead end. The fact that we were given little to no information about what really happened to Abby and Libby other than they were murdered by BG) from LE says a lot more to me than LE lets on. Same with Evansdale probably too. Shes also written a book and is aware of my coverage. He was like a manager there or something, in Delphi!!! Robert Lindsay is the leader of a sleuthing group that presently has ~230 paid members. 'I kill 8-year-old April Marie Tinsley. Possibly works with kids. I love true crime and listen to a bunch of podcasts and books. That person is probably some local creep getting revenge since those girls parents were into the same bullchit. The sigs are from the FBI and a court official. Why would they NOT want to look for those types of things in a child murder with likely sa involved? Bottle of toilet bowl cleaner in left pocket.*. No, he came up with the lost my keys gambit to explain why his car sat at the cemetery from 6:30 PM the day of the crime to 12:30 PM the next day when the girls bodies were found, a period of 18 full hours. which has been viewed more than 18,000 times. I guess he cant make up his mind. The behavior of LE throughout the entirety of this case is, to put it as nicely as possible, questionable, and to state the truth, just plain stupid. One person wins and everyone else loses. Were the best Delphi sleuthing group on the Net for years now. You just dont know what a person is capable of. Can you spell out the name? I am a retired Detective Chief previously responsible for the Criminal Investigation Department and all of the 80 plus detectives within as well as a senior investigative officer with experience of leading murder enquiries. Point is that he may have never had ceased offending. Good job though, because you confirm much of what Ive seen. He was also scared to join her group because I was in there and he was afraid of me. Kelsi German has been cleared. The stories vary from one of the girls still alive crying for help while the other lays dead next to her, the killer moving the bodies into disturbing poses or the killer violating one of the girls who was still alive and the body of the first girl that was killed. Of course she did. Seeing as there were multiple signatures left at the scene, I'm inclined to believe the killer(s) both posed the bodies and staged the crime scene. We know he had binoculars with him and he told the girls that he was a railroad policeman who had spotted them with binoculars. is that creepy guy still following us?. Neither he nor his father have been arrested over the Delphi Bridge killings, which police continue to investigate. A user allegedly shared them on a FB group a few days ago. That looks suspicious as Hell. The warrant, obtained by the Murder Sheet podcast and released to Indianapolis FOX59, offered no further detail on what the souvenir was, although it did say that 'the rest of [the girls'] clothing was recovered,' implying that the killer had taken something they'd been wearing. 8 Weirdly Specific True Crime Shows That Actually Exist, Chris Watts Bombed His Polygraph Test, and It Led to His Confession, Where Is Convicted Murderer Jeffrey MacDonald Now? How did BG get across that knee-high stream in the middle of winter without nearly getting hypothermia and needing a change of clothes? Amazingly, Libby German took a video of a man walking behind her and Abby Williams on the bridge, who is believed to be the killer. Deals with gruesome matters concerning the brutal sex murders of four female minors mostly about two young teenage girls aged 13 and 14 but also a bit about related murders of two little girls aged 8 and 10. The few times Ive brought him up myself (this is really on Reddit) I have been ripped apart for my apparent stupidity. I find it notable that not much has been said about the danger to others, I think it has been said that it could not be excluded, but I have not seen any emphatic warnings. The search warrant list a number of items that LE is looking for. There is so much junk, lies, theory, you name it, it is there. This sub is for discussion of the case that's come to be known as the Delphi Murders. Good question and we have no answer to it. You mentioned a pic of CSI workers with a doll a couple of days ago did anything come of this? We have 250 members in our group. This will dispel some rumors. Ron Logan: Enough already. Thats because he was competition. Would be interesting to know if Garett Kirts was on Ron Logans property that day. The crime occurred on February 13, or 2/13. Give it a rest, dammit! Closeup of the 'fanny pack'. There was a helicopter/drone photoset going around in a FB group in the last few days (dont remember which group). Kegan Kline cannot be involved either. But many questions still remain around the murders of Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14. And there are some good posters on r/LibbyandAbby; its just that they happen to be in the minority and all the best posters get downvoted to Hell and the people who are dead wrong get scores of upvotes! This was posted within a Facebook group and the poster stated that it was fine to share with other groups. The act of leaving a victim's body in an unusual position is a conscious criminal action by an offender to thwart an investigation, shock the finder and investigators of the crime scene, or give perverted pleasure to the killer. Of course we don't know how the bodies were found and if they were posed or staged, we only know that the crime scene was unbelievable disturbing and horrible. Bottom line is our theories now are dramatically more accurate than the 85% error rate we had earlier. Charles Eldridge was arrested in Union City, Indiana, in 2019, after he arranged to meet somebody he thought was a teenage girl for sex. I have no idea either way, but its just something that has bothered me because I dont see him being brought up nearly as much as some others who have had little to no connection to this case. The photo shows Brittany Zapanta, 28 - the daughter of Richard Allen, 50, on the Manon high bridge in the woods outside Delphi, Indiana. KAK and his Dad. Since Libby and Abby were young, and the perpetrator is between 18 and 40, according to the statistics would that indicate a possible attempt to thwart the investigation? She was being potentially catfished by this person, who, of course, looked nothing like and was nothing like what he portrayed online.. Another reason he stayed is we believe that he enjoyed the drama. There was a knife sticking out of the log next to one girls head. And humans are animals too. He concurred that a high error rate is normal early in the investigation and he also said that by 4-5 years later, you may well get a much clearer picture of the crime. They even try to cure effeminate gay men and let them back in the churches as long as they say theyre cured of homosexuality. youre smart enough you should be able to figure it out by these bomb-sized hints we keep dropping. I tend to think that it goes deeper than only Mr. X being involved though. His wife has taken to social media lately, pleading with people to stop harassing them and insisting he had nothing to do with this crime. It is interesting that they are looking for precisely 43 seconds of audio. At least some people like me. Mr. X needed the lost his keys excuse to explain how he stayed in that spot for 18 hours. Why would we do that? "No, that's not her nor Libby," he wrote in his text response. Police cleared nations as a suspect. Im confused. She has been featured in Psychic Investigators, Paranormal Witness, and interviewed by Nancy Grace! You write an article saying some guys not involved, and you get swamped with threats to track and hunt you down? She has channeled her pain into grief and sadness. In fact, the rumor is that LE simply does not have enough evidence against Mr. X to take the case to court. Investigators said the person behind the account posed as the model in order to groom underage girls and get them to send nude photos and their addresses and try to get them to meet. The roommate also said he suspected Mr. X of the Evansdale Murders because during the time of the Evansdale Murders, Mr. X and the roommate were both over in Evansdale being put up in hotels for months while they worked on a plant there. These two men, driving in the younger mans black truck with pink stripe, were witnessed in the vicinity on or near the cemetery road at approximately 5:30 AM February 14, 2017. Not because theres any evidence that they were lookouts, but more because everyone in that situation at the time of the murders is being looked at that way. The suspect has since moved back to North Carolina, and young women have begun to disappear from the trails there now. Cause of death of one girl was a deep cut to the throat. "In a small town, in a place where there's a small amount of traffic on this abandoned railroad bridge your suspect pool is fairly small," Garrett said, so police likely concentrated their investigation on Delphi and the surrounding communities. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. I cant see where this is! Kelsi has been cleared. Both my gut instinct and logic are screaming, Verify the statements of FSG!! Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. You want me to put it up? LE blew off their concerns and called off the search, citing safety concerns for the searchers but seemingly had little of the same concerns for the missing teens who could have been severely hurt and unable to help themselves, just waiting for someone in LE to find them that night. Neither he nor his father have been arrested over the Delphi Bridge killings. It said she was coming to deliver the keys. Important friendships: Very casual friend of Mike Patty, father of one of the girl victims. Still in Delphi, or on the border of Delphi. Police found the girls' lifeless bodies a short distance from the bridge the following day, near a trail close to the bridge. Keep in mind that we are not claiming that anything listed below as Unverified is true, although some it has a good chance of being true. If they tried to take it to court, I am almost certain that the judge would throw it out before it even got to the trial stage. She cited instances of abuse and alcoholism. White scarf covering the lower half of his face. However, he added that it is not a day to celebrate as families of teenagers are forced to live without them. The February 2017 killings . One problem was we went down the rabbit hole chasing the wrong guy for a couple of years. Oh, one more thing, Jim. Thank you! However, smudged prints are of very dubious value. In a press conference on Monday, the state police took the first step towards providing justice to the brutally killed juveniles. The motive was sexual. I heard that at the 2019 conference, she burst into tears. Their bodies were discovered the next day in a wooded area around half a mile off the trail. I just got banned from Twitter again for no real good reason, so Im not feeling that great. These are mostly hate sites. Richard Allen, 50, was charged with the murders of Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, in Delphi, Ind., in February 2017. After posting a few updates on Snapchat in the early afternoon hours, the girls were not seen or heard from again. Thats good enough for us to be probative. They simply dont have enough on him to get a conviction is all. If others want to dig around and find out who he is, thats their business. Actually there are four suspects in this case and we are not naming any of them. The only DNA found on the girls was that of Kelsi, sister of Libby. The voice in the clip was described as being 'not inconsistent' with that of Logan, the FBI investigation concluded. Resident of Delphi in 1984-85 at minimum. Back to the POI, in February 2017, he lived next door to the cemetery which makes his actions and ruse around his truck & keys even more suspicious, if that is possible. Im getting, at the home!. The others are guardians. There is endless silly speculation in the comments about BG I think BG was a teenagerWhat if BG escaped on a hand glider?What if BG is dead?What if BG escaped to a deserted island where he now renamed himself Lord Jim and is now king of the savages?What if BG is really a woman in drag?What if BG is Mafia hitman?Bla bla bla bla.. But now we have an excellent regular LE source close to the investigation giving us regular updates, the best LE source weve ever had. They dont have enough on the main suspect him to take him to trial, but they enough to think did it. Im the one who did it. The bodies had been staged and the killing would likely have caused the killer to get . That is the exact location whereLibby German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, filmed an unidentified man approaching them on the day of their February 2017 deaths. There is no way he would come back later to stage anything because he wouldnt know how safe it was or how many law enforcement would be around. Id be surprised if he were in on this, but stranger things have happened. About eight days after the murders, this man shoots and kills his 16 year old live-in girlfriend while allegedly cleaning his firearm. The one thing I cannot do is help him get away with his crimes, that is, be an accessory. You cannot keep your own story straight. The shot showed Allen smiling with his wife, while in the background over his shoulder - mere feet away - a police sketch of of the Delphi murder suspect could be seen posted by a notice board on the wall. I tune in to their broadcasts and most of it is these narcissists collecting narcissistic supply, which is being doled out by their worshipful audience. Why would the police lie about where they found them tho that doesnt make sense. Gas station attendant noticed something off with him, but hasnt made the connection! Watch on Oops, we couldn't find that track. Im sure its very interesting to posit your wandering speculation about what if this or maybe something or possibly why, who or what, but at the end of the day, its writing words in the air with water vapor to be blown away with the next wind. Wouldnt 13-14 year old girls be past dolls and stuffed animals? - November 30, 2022 Delphi murders leaked texts revealed the evidence behind the brutal death of two teenage girls who went out to spend their day off but met a very tragic end. As youve pointed out Mr. X did this before the search party had even assembled, right at the EXACT parcel of land that the girls bodies would be found the next day. "I didn't waaaaaant to, but I didn't want to be called a liiiiiiiiar". River searched near home of man police say posed . Dont pay any attention to that.. A blogger/sleuthed named Robert Lindsay supposedly has one on his site, there's a camera flashing on it. Always. John Miller, 63, was arrested in 2018 for the 1988 cold-case rape and murder of 8-year-old April Tinsley. Apparently neither girl was a virgin and both girls were sexually active in terms of PIV sex. For five years, the murders of 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German have hung over Delphi, ghosts that couldn't be put to rest. Only thing I can come up with if we go with the rumors is that he draped them with the sheet that had the smiley face on it perhaps? Remember that they came out with a pair of boots? There is 0% chance they have anything anyways. Cookie Notice Text messages have been circulating online regarding the case, as has speculation about some of the evidence that is being kept under wraps. Forgive me if someone else posted this.but the FBI was called in immediately. by Anonymous reply 23 February 5, 2021 3:58 PM Unfortunately, its not free. Stay tuned. I am having trouble reconciling something.. if Mr X is who I think he is, you state that he graduated in 1984 but I am finding by looking at the Delphi yearbooks online, that he graduated in 1986? It is interesting that Mr. X appears to have stayed with his truck from 6:30 PM to on Monday, February 13, to 12:30 PM Tuesday, February 14 when the girls were found. No, LK is the real deal. Also, you develop better sources. Your email address will not be published. The fact that the mere mention of FSG as anything more than a helpful old man out for a daily stroll is met with such hostility well, that raises all sorts of red flags with me even if the vitriol is coming from true crime enthusiasts on Reddit. We have your fingerprints on the counter.. Not long afterwards, the pink stripe was removed from the truck, witnesses say. A statement was made that said the scene was horrific. Join the best Delphi sleuthing group of all! Relationship with younger daughter: Excellent, she is very fond of him. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. "We will get answers. Lawyered up, not talking. They are within the video. One question: I havent seen this anywhere but have the police questioned Mr. X about the murders? This blood will probably will not come out with the wash. Why would they NOT want to look for those types of things in a child murder with likely sa involved? An arrest has been made in the Delphi murders of two teens, Libby German and Abby Williams, who were found dead near a walking trail in 2017. . My understanding was that an FBI agent was visiting family in Delphi and assisted in the search when he heard about it (as it is a very small town, most people heard about the girls missing that night and the search the night they failed to return); FBI agent assists in search as essentially a volunteer, and when it becomes apparent by late night - early morning that there may be something more sinister than the girls simply getting lost, he assisted with request of local authorities (as is required unless it is w/in FBI jurisdiction, as this was not) with getting the FBI to the scene the next morning. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Young girls menstrual cycles can be so messed up until possibly a few years later. On February 13, 2017, Libby and Abby took a hiking trip at the abandoned Monon High Bridge, in an outing that was only meant to be for a few hours. Similar murder conditions. Im seeing in between. Hes a mechanic by trade, but used to drive trucks and works for a local trucking company with a high profile. Garrett said it's possible that the gun jammed and the killer turned to another weapon. There are 3 most common reasons; to thwart the investigation, for the shock effect on the finder and the investigators of the crime scene, or for perverted pleasure of the perpetrator. The only thing I can think of is it was too gruesome, in their mind, to release," Garrett said. However, shouldnt that same exact principle/logic apply to Mr. X? I 100% agree about Mr X, and I recently seen a pic of his stepson which I think looks similar to the YBG sketch. An image taken from the video was released years ago as police asked for information to help them find the unknown suspect. Thats not very many. So every time a kid gets killed in a sexual murder, LE goes looking for photos and videos of the murder because obviously everyone who kills a kid takes pics of it and videotapes it. and our Actually, Jack, the families do not know at all. The suspect in a still from the video taken on Libby German's phone. DELPHI, Ind. A pair of binoculars. Interestingly, I had NO idea who you were (sorry). Missing for 2 years at the age of 5 and reported 2 years later out of Manchester, NH. The Indiana State Superintendent of Police is proud of the arrest of an accused in the Delphi massacre. I dont know about you, but when I go to a nearby town, I dont generally take my cellphone and throw it in a bunch of weeds for the five hours that I was gone, coming back to my home hours later to retrieve it from the weeds. Few of the illustrious Delphi Murders Youtubers has touched the real truth about this case as laid out in this website, probably because they are all narcissists who hate each other and hate anyone stealing their thunder. Many people from the Delphi area have gone over to went over to Evansdale to work on plants over there. Sex workers talk, rumours saved a lot of workers in Vancouver during Picktons reign of terror. R/LibbyandAbby does allow rumors and speculations, so at least they get some good posts and posters, while the overall mood is still a downer. FSG, or DMC: Probably shouldnt use his real name, but hes on everybodys suspect list. If he had those objects found at the crime scene in his truck, he could have easily carried them down to the crime scene and used them to stage it with the objects. He had those white see through covers that cover the bottom of the home to the ground, theyre placed to separate the spacing in between the home and the ground. I like some of these guys. Big KAK getting hungry and Dad is no longer speaking to him. According to the warrant, Logan said he was in Lafayette on the day of the murders, visiting an aquarium. He has dealt with his grief with silence and hiding himself away. Just thought I would draw your attention to it. It was my understanding that a local news channel had posted 1 crime scene photo to their Facebook page, and that it was of clothing in the creek. I think perhaps I saw the same things this guy did. Long, 22 pages. Clown. Detectives said that after the photo was taken, a man approached the girls and apparently told them to go down the hill.. Why on Earth would someone stay next to their truck all through one evening and night through the next early AM and morning into the afternoon?
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