Half a political lifetime ago, Bill de Blasio seemed interested in extending transit to under-served neighborhoods on his own. A new station would therefore have to be built below the existing 3/4 Utica Ave station before continuing south. Also if most people are going to midtown (which Id argue given the census data I show isnt the case) then there is nothing in the way of this with the new routing. In the Bronx the Grand Concourse Subway was designed to at least compete with the Jerome Ave elevated if not eventually replace it and in Brooklyn the Fulton St Subway was built to replace the Fulton El out to Queens with provisions built to allow a connection with the Jamaica Ave elevated. But Utica predates 2nd Ave by at least a decade. BUT in order for that to happen you have to shut down service between Franklin and Flatbush and Franklin and New Lots. With subway costs so high els may be the only way to go. The Queens Boulevard Express turns out 15 TPH each on its two services, and if anything DeKalb is the major limitation here; at least with Sixth Avenue its not the biggest deal since the merges on both ends of CPW also limit capacity. When the IND built their lines they did so with room for expansion and most of the provisions and abandoned sections that did get built had something to do with Utica Ave. There is another part of the IND plan which, as far as I can tell, no one has figured out or brought up yet. It was the result of a partnership between the Hopi tribe and a group of Route 66 aficionados who are dedicated to preserving the heritage of this iconic road. The Crown Heights-Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. Place station house under tracks in median. The A/C line in Brooklyn cant be tampered with, because both trains are crowded during rush hours, and the A or C cant be diverted before Broadway Junction, because then at the nearest express station, your going to see a huge crowd, and the point of Broadway Junction is to drop off the passangers to other trains to get home or to get to work. If so, it could be served by alternate runs of the E or as a second express provided a suitable terminal could be found. By SAS standards thatd run to 7 billion. will be as interesting and more reasonable than those from the genius Now we know late nights the 3/5 dont run in Brooklyn. The Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IND Fulton Street Line of the New York City Subway. The Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IND Fulton Street Line of the New York City Subway. Especially for a line such as the 5 that lacks walking distance stations in comparison to the Nostrand Avenue line. [21], This underground station serves local and express trains in a two-level layout with two island platforms. Despite its name, this station has no exit to the corner of Utica Avenue and Eastern Parkway. want to either go to Midtown West or Midtown East. Even before revenue service or full tunnels were dug the six-track station was a relic of another era. Have a design contest; results Also (while a 4 track yard is good for Relay past Brooklyn College.) The Utica Avenue extension in particular has been proposed several times as part of the New York City Transit Authority's 1968 expansion proposals, in older pre-unification plans, and in the competing pre-unification expansion plans of the Independent Subway System (IND). The Manhattan-bound platform has its metalwork painted in golden yellow and the tiles beneath the trim line in dark blue. Weekends the 3 runs in Bkyln so it can serve New Lots as usual on weekends. 1,2. I see no value in that whatsoever. Yes, it would take ages for New York to make the Plan for Action setup even remotely possible, but the fact is that the smaller size of the IRT inherently bottlenecks passenger capacity (as known by Lexington Avenue) and also is an operational pain-in-the-neck, since the IRT cant use IND platforms. The only elevated line that the IND ever built was the Culver Viaduct between Carroll St and 4th Ave-9th Sts and this was done in a similar way. From the South 4th St station to Eastern Parkway is another 3 miles which would parallel the existing J/M/Z trains. At its peak, it had more than 50 businesses.. Adding another train to Queens Blvd is a problem. When the IRT built the Eastern Parkway Line between 1915 and 1918 they built into it a provision for a future branch down Utica Ave (the IRT, in fact, built its entire Brooklyn section with many provisions for future expansion that either never happened or ended up being built by a competing company). The same happens if the A leaves. el structures around Broadway Junction. Existing abandoned portions: Part of a station for 6 tracks, with four island platforms. This is why I say do IRT now and level provisions for the future. In the 1929 plan, one set of tracks would have led down Stuyvesant Ave., crossing the IND Fulton St. Line at Utica Ave. where another shell station and some unused mezzanines live and continuing down Utica Ave. and to Marine Park. and Park Aves commuter train viaduct looks good all the time. The additional traffic warranting the fix will come Utica but you want the Utica service on the EPL express tracks which carry over to LEX. The second plan would be far cheaper but would require that only local trains have access to Nostrand Ave while the express trains would split past the junction so that half would continue as locals and the other would run express. The important thing about the shorter option is that installing these switches could be done overnight or over a weekend and wouldnt require long term, disruptive construction. Eastern Py Utica Av. [14] The line was to be extended along Flatbush Avenue and Eastern Parkway to Buffalo Street as a four-track subway line, and then along East 98th Street and Livonia Avenue to New Lots Avenue as an elevated two-track line, with provisions for the addition of a third track. On the Utica Ave. subway, a half-baked idea with no champion written by Benjamin Kabak February 28, 2017 The Utica Ave. subway extension has once again disappeared into the ether of New York City politics. Climbing the ramp to the entrance level reveals more windows and doors These doors provide access to the disused portion of the upper level mezzanine, which has steps leading to the disused portion of the intermediate level mezzanine (which in turn leads directly to the unfinished station). Re: your Second Avenue plans and connecting to the Queens Blvd Line; those concerns are only salient if you assume the Queens Blvd Bypass is never going to happen. Look at ridership at the Crown Heights-Utica Ave station now. Four side platforms. Building it to Water St requires all new infrastructure there and a new East River tunnel (which isnt needed) and with Nassau St located closer to the heart of the Financial District and with better transfer options (that Water St would not be able to provide) it seems obvious that its a better routing. [25][26][27][28][29] Just east of this station, a bellmouth splits away from the local track on both levels, and curves south. But thats how I see it. The first option is a bit luxurious and is unlikely to happen. Home; Blog; Nosotros; Contacto; Nuestros Clientes; Copia de Home V2; utica avenue abandoned station And D, when the line is being built, less lanes will have to be teared up. Let's take a trip down memory lane to explain why. Precinct: (718) 735-0611 Community Affairs: (718) 735-0634 Crime Prevention: (718) 735-0658 - Jason Marsman - E-mail: jason.marsman@nypd.org - Kelvin Vidal - E-mail: kelvin.vidal@nypd.org Domestic Violence Officer: (718) 735-0600 - E-mail Youth Coordination Officer: (718) 735-0657 . Modern giant boring machines make drilling more cost effective and its common for all the tunneling to be complete years before the line can open, primarily because of stations. I grant you C outright; shorter trains being more maneuverable in yards. Imagine what kinds of service could be offered if that block-long tunnel was ever built! Everything else is a single or double story commercial or light industrial building, parking lot, and one school. The new trains would be served by trains from Seventh Avenue. Located at Utica Avenue and Fulton Street in BedfordStuyvesant, Brooklyn, it is served by the A train at all times and the C train at all times except late nights. This was built into the station as a provision for the proposed Utica Avenue Line, which is why the station itself has no exits to Utica Avenue. And reworking Lafayette/Atlantic and Montague is all extra card shuffling that wont help Utica Ave riders anymore when they could just take the IRT express AS IS and be done with it. South of Kings Highway would be stations at Flatlands Ave, Ave N and after the line turns down Flatbush Ave, at Ave U-Kings Plaza. Would it be possible to connect the Utica Avenue like with the Fulton Street line? Other sources indicate that the unused level at Fulton St.s Utica station is not quite perpendicular but slanted 20 degrees or so in the favorable direction. And its not a good alternative to the Lex, for the East Side, since the Lex is both more direct and has express trains. The 5 train doesnt run in Brooklyn on late nights and weekends. This would provide more flexibility, even though all the lines that would be connected have transfers to each other at Fulton Street in Manhattan. Median not wide enough for a true viaduct? 8. 5 all times except late nights, 6. [7] The first section opened on January 9, 1908, extending the subway from Bowling Green to Borough Hall. It is actually located between Schenectady and Utica Avenues and the two exits lead to the middle of the block, several feet from the actual cross street. 10. Youve recognized its unused capacity and proposed filling it by connection to Jamaica Ave.; a Utica Ave. branch could work as well.. The one on the west (railroad north) is staffed weekdays only and accessed via a wide staircase in place of the end wall of the New Lots Avenue-bound platform. In fact, it makes pretty much every stop that the current B46SBS makes except for Winthrop, which IMO is not really deserving of a stop. Now for the second option. As part of Contract 3 of the agreement, between New York City and the IRT, the original subway opened by the IRT in 1904 to City Hall,[12] and extended to Atlantic Avenue in 1908,[13] was to be extended eastward into Brooklyn. Is it correct that Culver has connections in place for the 8th Ave line? The Crown HeightsUtica Avenue station is an express station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. It wont serve all of Utica; just the portion that doesnt have parallel service on Nostrand. And as mentioned before, an IRT branch off of Eastern Pkwy should be built instead to reduce this amount of cost, except the (3) should be rerouted there instead of the (5). It looks to be about two miles long. Quickly checking the map I see the same 6 For future expansion of the system we need to be open to thinking outside the box. When would you see it converted to that? In fact Id discount any curve adjacent to a station by about 50%. This is the level of transit that buses provide for a fraction of the cost. If the C leaves, the A becomes even more crowded/congested. One of the main reasons that the City wanted to build the IND was to replace the existing elevated lines which were old, slow, and unpopular as they cast streets in shadow and soot. [9] Above is a disused portion of a mezzanine and an unfinished upper level station. Even the New Lots branch doesnt have a third track and you could argue it needs one more than this. 1135 Eastern Parkway. Youre less likely to be the goat. Oh shit I forgot I was playing with skip-stop. So thats what the future holds: deep tunnels and expensive stations. Say we got together and bought the local NBA franchise. Now we dont want that, do we? In IND reports it was proposed to have the line remain as a subway until Ave J where it would ascend to the surface and run elevated, originally to Sheepshead Bay, then later a more simplified route down Flatbush Ave to Floyd Bennett Field. Even with CBTC you are limited to about 10-12 tph on each of the (now) three local services (it most definitely does not turn out 15tph on both local service now, closer to 15tph for both combined). Subway prematurely. Utica Avenue is served by the New York City Subway 's IRT Eastern Parkway Line ( 3 and 4 trains) at the Crown Heights-Utica Avenue station at Eastern Parkway [1] and by the IND Fulton Street Line ( A and C trains) at the Utica Avenue station on Fulton Street. Then Utica can fulfill both roles but as of now the only important section is south of Eastern Parkway. Checking schedules for the A and C tells me that they max out at 17, leaving 9 slots for Utica St. service. Using the IRT as the basis for a Utica Avenue line is much more feasible. Then a tunnel would have to be built from Fulton to Eastern Pkwy, where the tunnel would have to be built directly under the 3/4, then a steep incline from Eastern Pkwy to Empire Blvd, so a portal could be built for the elevated line to Kings Plaza. much cheaper and fits the mtas little goes a long way attitude. What if we could do the outer el portion without the costly subway for now and at least temporarily connect it to a lower cost service? This station's mezzanine and exterior can be seen in various points of 6ix9ines music video for the song "Kooda". I also think that building Utica would take some ridership away form Nostrand (those whom transfer via bus) so we should focus on Utica and then see what Nostrand looks like. This seems right as Fulton intersects cross-streets at that angle. Both Fulton/8th Ave. and Eastern Pkwy/Broadway 7th routes hit up with all three major employment destinations. Like on the Jamaica el. IRT Utica only needs a simple switch added to Rogers Junction to start running. Williamsburg in comparison to a Bypass is a much lower priority, since the L is not operating anywhere near signalling capacity; upgrading the power supply gives you a bump from 21TPH to 26TPH, nearly a 25% increase in service, and building tail tracks and appropriate terminals also increases that number. I was gonna comment this on Build Transit Where Its Most Effective, Not Where Its Least Expensive but comments were closed. The 2 track Worth St Line would require a 3.15 mile tunnel from Tribeca to Williamsburg. Furthermore, the neighborhoods in northern Brooklyn through which the first part of the line would run are already served by existing subways. The upper level at Utica Ave station on the Fulton Line would be used but only half of the existing structure would be needed since the modern line would be two tracks. The victim was found. station count on BWY7 and 8AV between 110th and 72nd. The MTA studied [PDF] rebuilding this junction in 2009 and came up with two plans. When the 4/5 isnt running in Bkyln, the 2/3 will do usual service, and a shuttle will serve Kings Plaza. Subway, local and express station, ADA accessible. The elevated structure would be built in such a way that future buildings would be built around and above the line. Many transit activists I talk to refuse any plan which would take a single building but this is unrealistic in any city. The big attraction to politicians of boring subways instead of cut-and-cover is that it removes so much uncertainty. Kings Hy/Beverly Rd is 564 yards away, 7 min walk. Nice ideas so far! At Utica Avenue, provisions were made for a transfer to the proposed Utica Ave line. The station spacing was done to keep costs down. So on late nights obviously the 2/4 would run local. Lower track becomes less of a climb. The door had some panels missing, and whenever open, a look into the door revealed the unfinished upper level station. [30] In 2015, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio announced his proposal for an extension of the 3 and 4 trains down Utica Avenue. Im not suggesting building an extension of the Crosstown Subway or tearing down the Broadway El, that is merely a reproduction of the 1931 IND plan. street-side condemnation would be for the head-houses. While cost is an obvious reason for building an elevated over a subway there are also geological concerns in this area as the land through which Utica Ave runs has a very high water table and very sandy soil. I will say that the Utica stop spacing is fine; its not any wider than the Queens Boulevard local and it stops at every intersecting street with a frequent bus connection. And that nine has the corresponding capacity of 12 A Division runs. The Utica provisions at Fulton are on the upper level and cross perpendicular to the lower platforms. The Manhattan plans remained the same, but the line east from South 4th Street would continue on only to Marine Park via Utica Ave. Might Wilson Ave. Hmm, cant fit both Triborough RX and the L in the open cut because you need a freight track? I do like the general arc of this post, although there is one bit I find a bit questionable; > Looking at a modern take on IND plan, since the Chrystie St Connection rerouted the 6th Ave express trains over the Manhattan Bridge and the extra local service to Williamsburg, there is no extra capacity along 6th Ave to connect with the new line. But I think it was for a different one than the four you give. Better to have SAS Williamsburg via the 9th St storage tracks and SAS Fulton local as the obvious trunk line that needs new capacity. MTA Bus - B14/B17 - Eastern Pkwy & Utica Av. Now we reach Utica Ave. There were homes here and there, but the area was full of empty lots until the postwar years. But that still requires 2nd Ave to be built first. Got to be local? Finnaly, the IRT Utica Av doesnt have the provisions for having a IND Utica Av, so either one of two plans will have to happen: 1- Build a Eastern Pkwy Station under the 3/4 and have a steep incline back up to Empire Blvd so it can be able to portal out wherever (originally I thought it was going to portal out at Empire Blvd but I guess im wrong). There is also limited rush hour 2 and 5 services here. Another weekend or overnight wont kill us! Youve shown plans to underground the Ls el as well as the Fulton and This is to avoid overcrowding issues at Franklin/Nevins, and to provide more alternatives along each corridor. Between this station and Ralph Avenue, there is a fifth track between the express tracks, which could be used for storage or turning trains, although it is not normally used. 5. 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